A quick receiver poll now that Collie is declared for the league.
9 January 2009
Quinn Gooch
64 Comments
Just a little something to get people thinking about next year and the possibilities now that our #1 guy will be testing the waters in the NFL.
Pitta. Based on this year, Hall goes to his “safety blankets” whenever he can, so I have to go with the one who’s returning next year until Hall proves otherwise.
I hope Jacobson returns with the effectiveness Collie did from his mission. I also want to see what Chambers can do.
I think Unga could be on the list. At least if they start using him like they did Curtis Brown.
I really hope that we do not need a go-to receiver next year. we have great potential with Chambers, Jacobsen, Pitta and George to have a nice balanced receiving core who all deserve to be go-to guys. I only hope the team plays like it.
First of all, since this is really the only Blog on BYU Football that matters and is of substance, let me say Congratulations to Austin Collie..thanks for the great years at BYU for setting a high bar both on and off the field and best of luck to you in the NFL. All Cougar fans will enjoy following your NFL career as you continue to represent the University and the Church in such a positive manner.
As for next year, hopefully Mackay can follow Austin “Return from Mission” conditioning program, work as hard, and get himself in as good of shape as Austin was when he came back so that he can play at a high level next year. It just seems that that is a very difficult task to accomplish and more than likely it will take a year to be fully ready to go. Mackay is certainly a great talent, but I hope the fans are not to hard on him throughout the ‘09 season as it will really be his season to get back into it.
Maybe Quinn or Markell can comment on the type of conditioning that is required, and if it is different from a regular off-season workout, for a RM to get back into game shape so that they don’t get hurt during their first year back?
Having said that, Pitta will certainly be the go to guy next year. Having been in the program and knowing the offense, it has to be his year next year.
I’d love to see Chambers continue to progress and have a great year, after his first year. Hopefully he works hard, is committed, and will have the desire to dominate so that when Fall Camp rolls around he’ll be relaxed and ready to go.
Congrats Collie….Hopefully all BYU fans will agree with Bronco when he said, (paraphrasing) “I’m always excited to see a player achieve their goals.”
Josh F,
Very, very good point. At this point, balance is highly preferable to having anyone stand out as much as Collie did.
It may sound like a dirty Commie scheme to keep anyone from rising above the rest, but we saw how predictable the passing game became – any receiver without a #9 or #32 jersey was just out there because the rules require 11 men on the field.
During spring ball, I was very impressed w/ Landon Jaussie (sp?). 6′5″ kid w/ good speed. What’s up w/ him. I thought he’d play last year.
Also…I was disappointed w/ the development of Chambers (and JJ), and wonder why the coaches didn’t do more with him…especially in the easy games.
Landon could get some time and hopefully JJ will cure his fumbling habit. There is also Matt Marshall and a few other guys who could get some quality time. The problem is I don’t now if we’ll have a receiving core that is going to worry anyone. Maybe that’s a good thing.
One thing is for certain, we need someone to strectch the field with some speed. Hopefully Mckay can do that, but I wouldn’t count on him being “back” until the 10′ season.
Our biggest concerns will be the young safeties, and if the linebackers/D-line can get some pressure on the quarterback. Make that concern the safeties and corners. This year gave some players some good experience and they’ll know now how to better prepare for game in the future, but can they make plays consitantly in order for our team to win 10 games again?
It will be an interesting off-season and I hope a lot of guys stick around for summer so the team can build unity and trust.
To Austin: I can only wish him the best. I hope the pay day is big and most of all I hope you land somewhere where you’ll be happy and -most importantly- your wife will be happy.
I like the potential of Jaussie and he’s got a cool name to boot. Should be interesting spring camp this year.
http://www.byucougars.com/Profile.jsp?ID=3069
http://byu.scout.com/2/745330.html
Regarding JJ’s ball control. I realize that nothing probably bugs a HC or OC, more than turning the ball over, but I also think JJ was thrown into situations that were not helpful. Sure, he needs to hold onto the ball. But when your up 59-0 over UCLA, or have certain leads over UNI and other teams, why not give JJ 5+ carries a game in those situations. Instead, most times he was thrown in a very pressure rich situation.
He needs to handle it and make the most of those opportunities, but at the same time, you can nurture a young talent like that, and grow his confidence. The kid had nearly 90 TDs in California, he’s got a big heart, and I hope we can make it work. Although he’s not a speedster, he does give the backfield a different look, and we need that badly.
Killer bloq Gooch!
I like Chambers ability, he was able to get open alot, but it was always Pitta or Collie, and some to reed. I also liked what I saw in Jacobson before his mission, he’s got pretty good speed and catches well. Pita will be good again, I hope George will get more balls thrown his direction. I hope they utilize the backs out of the backfied more this year. In 07 Unga and Tonga ( I hope Tonga makes it back ) got alot of yard after the catch. In short, Hall needs to use all of his weapons. Hall was very predictable. If Hall does that again in 09 against some of the good defences he will face, he will be eatin alive. The only other thought I had about Chambers , is if they don’t use him as a reciever I would love to see him at corner, he hits hard, and has the right attitude. I would like to see better execution out of Howard or someone else in there. Please excuse my grammer I went to the U
So, based on the current personnel, is the likely basic formation going to be Chambers as the split end, Ashworth/DiLuigi and Pitta (if not lined up as a TE) in the slot, and Jacobson as the flanker?
Is collie crazy? Is anyone watching ESPN? It seems like every underclassmen that is declaring for the draft is a WR. Unless he can really get his speed down for the combine, he may have just made a big mistake.
Austin had a better year then all of those joker and as far as speed is concerned he is fast enough to play in the NFL. He won’t be a feature guy but he will be productive and a great value to any team he goes to. In the league value plays a huge role. Austin will catch balls, get first downs and will do it for less money then some other guys.
Look at me calling 250+ thousand a year less money.
Yes, yes. Poor Austin! $250,000 a year or more. Who can understand his decision? More power to him. He worked so hard get back into shape for the Cougars, post mission, and he served us well. Long may he “represent us” in the NFL.
I’m looking for both Chambers and Jacobsen to work all hours practicing with Max like Austin did. The main thing is to get those guys on the same page and to the point where they’re reading each others’ minds. If that happens, we could well be as good or better at WR next year. And it doesn’t have to be those two. I’ll be happy to be surprised by someone else. (Oh, and Pitta and George are a given in my mind).
Hey if Todd Watkins is still a scrub on an NFL roster/inactive list then I suspect Collie can eek out an nfl career.
I will miss Austin. After talking with him on several occasions, I can only say that it was great having him here. Outstanding young man. So many of his games he was “THE” man. I wish him well, and will be following his career, and look forward to watching his little brother play at BYU
(hint hint)
We will miss you Brother Collie! Good Luck in the NFL
Here’s to not being drafted by the Lions!
I’m in shock….I can’t believe he’s leaving…
Good luck Collie.
I think Hall will go to Jacobsen more than Pitta simply because he is a wide receiver. He will get slightly more throws and yards, just like Collie had slightly more than Pitta this year.
And I gotta say this: uh…I just found this Website today. Where has this site been all my life?!
Thanks Gooch for providing fans like myself with a little sanity. This is the best resource for BYU football I have ever come across.
Don’t get me wrong, Collie is by far the best receiver we’ve ever had on the field, BUT Max Hall also new that! He was great at making big plays but Hall tried to make Collie do too many of them. I think Collie going is a great thing for BYU and Hall because it will force Hall to widen his horizon and not focus on a specific receiver. With Jacobson back, Pitta, George, Unga, Chambers, JJ, and Co. we can have just as much of a potent offense as we had at the beginning of last year. BYU has the potential to make some noise as a TEAM. If we are able to spread the ball, and utilize the double tight a little more, BYU can put up some ridiculous numbers.
Thanks for all the good times Collie, you will do well! Cha Ching$$$$$$$ I see Collie being the next Deshawn Jackson. Quick little bugger that makes you pay if he gets around you. Good luck bro!
I think that VAUGHNZIPPER hit the nail on the head. As much it is hurts to see the best receiver BYU has ever had leave, it may be the best thing for BYU as a whole.
Here’s to Collie being ROY in the NFL next year for the Chargers!
Here’s to Max throwing the ball to 7 receivers a game next year!
Here’s to my plane ticket to Dallas!
I think that Collie made the right choice to go into the NFL. I think he can play with the best but his speed might hurt him at the combine. He ran like a 4.6 but he has a lot better game speed than that. I wish him the best and hope that Jacobson can come back like Collie did and work his butt off. Hall can’t pinpoint on receivers. He locks in and everyone knows it’s going to either Pitta or Collie with the occasional Reed. He needs to keep his options open and I agree that he needs to go to lots of different recievers. Hope for the best.
collie will be the next hines ward, mark my words
Dude, Austin, if you haven’t hired an agent, it’s not too late to back out. I’m serious bro, if Colt McCoy stays at UT, then you sure as heck can stay in Provo for your Senior year. I realize there are a finite number of routes in every receiver’s legs, but you could achieve greatness at BYU on a level you’re never going to reach in the NFL.
And…OU! Come on…it’s the biggest opponent we’ve had in years…and you’re going to miss it while playing on the Eagles’ scout team…..do the right thing….stay away from agents….come back to Provo.
Guys Guys…Why are you saying these things about Collie. He went to BYU to prepare for the NFL. He is ready, so it’s time to move on. He just had the best year of his career and if you think he is going to repeat it next year and improve his draft status you are crazy. It is his time. It is the right choice. It is the choice every one of you would make if put in his shoes.
What else does he have left to prove at BYU? NOTHING. It is time to welcome the next challenge and continue his progression.
AUSTIN:
If you think Collie is only good enough to be on someone’s scout team than why even ask him to come back to BYU at all? If he is not that good, why do you care that he is leaving?
Colt McCoy is staying because he didn’t win the Heisman, didn’t win a NC and played a very pedestrian game against OSU.
Collie LED THE NATION IN RECEIVING, finished with 11 straight games of 100+ yds…what else is the guy going to to accomplish? He is at the top of his game in college and needs to move on!
Markell,
There have been myriad GREAT college players who couldn’t make it at the next level. Lots of people think Tewbow can’t succeed as an NFL QB. I personally think Collie is an excellent college player who will not excel at the next level, so I want him back because he is a good receiver in the Mountain West and our team has a better shot to be GREAT with him than without him. Besides, being on an NFL scout team is still an extremely difficult thing to do.
I’m aware of Collie’s stats, but football is a TEAM SPORT.
More power to Austin. He did so well, that there was nothing left for him to achieve here. Things could get worse much easier than they could get better, so it was time to go.
I am rooting for Chambers to emerge as the play-maker that we all hope he will be. There are areas of his game that he needs to work on, but that’s up to him.
What concerns me is that the coaching staff are not ready to develop players. Unless a player is able to provide his own motivation/training ala Austin and Max last summer, I don’t see the program doing a good job of developing players year to year. I hope that Coach Higgins has given some strong words of advice to our receiving corps on what they need to do to follow Austin’s lead.
Ok I’ll say it, it may be out of anger but here it goes. Collie you are a traitor, giving up your senior year & completing your education is much more important than taking the quick buck in the NFL. You are doubting yourself if you think your skills will take you a long way in the NFL, odds are against you to make very much money or to have a long career. There are alot more talented wide recievers flooding the market this year, your education will serve you if these things fail. Collie has been duked by a bunch of jerk agents who text him all the time, they only want to make a buck off him, so they filled his ego telling he’s great & can go 2nd rounder, it’s a lie he’ll go in the 3rd round if he’s lucky. He’s good, but one more season as a senior would up the ante, he’d be alot more attractive to the NFL next year. I hope you fail for betraying the BYU faithful. Ok I agree it’s mean & vendictive, but I said it & there it is. Now I can go on.
YOU GUYS ARE PATHETIC!
If you are tru BYU fans, I’m ashamed to be a Cougar right now.
To those wanting Collie to stay I ask, can you honestly say that you want him to stay for any reason other than selfish reasons? Do you really have HIS best interest at heart? This is the right decision for him. Everyone one of you would leave too. Think about this, even IF he isn’t successful in the NFL he IS going to make more money during those few “unsuccessful” years than most people on this board. He can still finish his degree later. It’s not like this is going to be his only opportunity to go to school, but it is his best opportunity to fulfill his dream. I think He’ll succeed. He knows how to get open and he knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. Best of luck to Austin.
WOW, TRIANGLECHOKE… you are totally hating on a kid because he’s about to go make 10x’s what you do in a year! Your right, he won’t be the #1 receiver taken but I’d definitely put him in the top 7 of them. Like I said before, he’ll be like a little Deshaun Jackson, use him for some kick returns here and there his first year then he’ll step into a lead role within 2-3 years, all while making high 6 to low 7 digits. Shoot, who was Wes Welker 2 years ago? I’m sure there were plenty of people like you that doubted his abilities and now look at him. How is Collie any different? Other than the fact that he’s 5″’s taller and weighs about 20 lbs more all in Collie’s advantage? And TRIANGLECHOKE, man you’ve got issues! I’m not as good as MARKELL and say that I’m ashamed to be a Cougar because I am and always will be BUT I think I’m free to speak on behalf of any Cougar and say that you my friend ARE NOT a BYU COUGAR! Please, do explain how being a 3rd round pick is a bad thing? That’s what he’s been projected to be all along, he knew that. Collie’s going to make Buck$$$$$$ at the next level, EVEN IN THE 3RD ROUND!
AUSTIN F, if you think we’re A TEAM with Collie then you’ll be surprised next year to see what BYU as A TEAM is capable of. I don’t think STAFF and I are disagreeing that he would be GREAT next year, what we are trying to point out is how GREAT BYU would be as a whole on offense! Hall loved to throw to Collie even if he was double teamed or we had another easy catch with the potential for a long run just 5 yards in front of him. Can you or any other Cougar deny that? My opinion, we underutilized Reed because Collie was always Hall’s go to guy. Pull Collie out of the picture and who will Hall throw to then? Pitta, George, Chambers, Ashworth, Jacobson, and more! Collie was double teamed all last year and Hall still continually threw to him. Can you imagine how many more points we could have put up had we taken advantage of the others who would often be WIDE OPEN?!
Collie going is a good thing for him and BYU.
I’m happy for Collie. He’s got lots of amazing and exciting experiences in front of him that every kid who played football in his backyard growing up is jealous of.
I’m also ashamed of what some of you “fans” are saying. Getting mad at Collie for leaving BYU to play in the NFL means you aren’t really fans. You’re just Sports Consumers full of greed, selfishness, jealousy, pride, (insert any other synonymous adjective here) because you don’t care about anything besides your own superficial feelings.
I’m sad to see him go because he was part of the team. Just like I’m sad to see anyone go who is part of the team. I’m sad that guys like Tafuna, Bright, and Oswald are gone. It happens every year and it’s part of college football. It’s college.
Questions for QG, MS, or other ex-players: Are the current players allowed to participate in online discussion like this? Even if they’re not allowed to participate, what are the chances they look at sites like this one to get a pulse on what people are saying? Thanks. (And QG, is there a place on your blog where it’s appropriate to post random questions?)
Speaking of prized BYU receivers, for those of you who caught Cougarbeat last night, they had a nice little segment on McKay Jacobsen who has been off his mission for a couple of weeks. They should a few other RM players but mostly focused on Mckay. Mckay says he’s still a bit out of shape but from what I saw he looked pretty good for someone who just got of his mission, much better than Collie did at that time anyway. The bit on Mckay comes up about the halfway mark. Enjoy.
http://pandora.bonnint.net/video/video/slc/video_archive/2009_01_10_cougar_beat.mp4
Markell,
Save it for relief society sister!!
Vaugnzipper,
I appreciate your comment, I’m just not sure I agree. I take comfort that Pitta is still around, even though I doubt MJ will be in tip top shape in the fall. I agree that Reed was underused, but he was also very slow. I see OC stepping right it where Reed left off (phenomenal blocking and all).
I hope you’re correct in stating that this is good for the team. Only time will tell.
I’m pretty disgusted with the negative comments and couldn’t disagree more. I think that some trolls have found Deep Shades of Blue. I, for one, am extremely grateful that Austin Collie played for BYU and know that he will represent BYU well in the NFL. Like Staley he will always be considered one of the greats. Like Staley, he put his heart and soul, unselfishly, into being the best that he could be to help the team succeed. It is beyond me how anyone could accuse him of not being a team player. Ridiculous! And, also like Staley, he is leaving early. Whether he succeeds or not is another issue. His choice is a personal one and I’m sure was a very difficult. But each of us has to make decisions that are best for us and our families. I think that Collie has done that. I wish him the best of luck and am proud that he was and will be forever a Cougar.
Austin,
I put it to a vote in Releif Society and they agree with me…Collie should leave, good choice, he will have a great career barring any injury.
OK Cougar fans, It looks like we have some redheaded ute jerks (Austin)on our board. There is no way a real Cougar fan would be busting on Collie.
Collie moving on is his choice and his life. Thanks for the great job while he was here. This is a good thing for BYU football to help balance out the team. There are other players who will step up now.
There was BYU football before Collie and there will be BYU football after Collie.
If Austin is a BYU fan, I say cut him off this board, this is for REAL BYU fan’s that enjoy seeing the best for your current players and those who move on to the NFL. As a die hard Cowboy fan, I would love to see Collie make the Dallas Cowboys Team. Packman stunk it up. I’d put my money on Collie any day!
Markell, Nice reply!
One more thing “Trianglechoke” Grow up dude, were do you get off calling Collie a trader. I would call you “selfish” You can’t be a real Cougar fan.
This is not how we show respect for the great work Collie did for BYU.
Everyone who follows this blog know that I overcame my separation anxiety with the greatest Cougar receiver ever months ago. I love the fact that he is leaving at the top of his game. Personally, I like this exit for other athletes who are in the “greatest” status. I.E., I hope Tiger retires at age 40 after winning his umpteenth Sportsman of the Year award or whatever.
What impressed me most is the press conference was Collie expressing a level of uncertainly about “what will happen at the next level.” Dude has realized all of his options – knows at best he might go 3rd round, at worst he could be undrafted free agent. He is going to spend the next few months preparing for the next level. He knows what happened to Staley, what happened to Watkins, what happened to the other Cougar receivers before him and what’s happening with the current college receiver crop. My impression of him at the news conference was #1 – nice suit, if you’re going to be in the NFL, may as well start dressing the part; #2 – he realizes that this is not a “sure thing”, nothing will be given to him and he is about to enter into “the meat market”.
BTW, Greg Wrubell’s blog is completely supportive and predicts that Austin will be a great ambassador for BYU at the next level. Greg hasn’t made a wrong prediction about Austin yet.
Oceanographer,
You forgot one other corollary with Staley….Like Staley, Collie will not have a productive NFL career.
Gunny,
Why do you hate dissenting opinions so much? I’m ticked at Collie because I was more excited about next season than any season I can remember. Now, I’m just hoping for a New Mexico Bowl berth (or better). What ever happened to the marketplace of ideas, dear, loyal Gunny.
It’s okay to have differing opinions…..it’s not okay if you can’t handle an opinion different than yours.
Gunny, the die-hard Cowgirl–boy fan: You realize that Collie and Pacman Jones play different positions, on different sides of the ball, don’t you?
Hey Collie is a stud, I’m sure he’ll make BYU, and there fans proud in the NFL, I’ll be happy to watch him at the next level. As for BYU theres alot of talent on offence, hopefully Hall won’t be so predictable. I expect to see as much improvement in Hall as there was with Beck from his junior year to his senior year, he was able to see the whole field as a senior QB. He was Nails.
Here is the crazy thing about the NFL…The Doplhins kicker was an undrafted free agent this year as a rookie and now he is going to the pro-bowl. Another one is their receiver Devon Bess…then think about Ryan Leaf, Vince Young and others who have gone to the league with so much hype and have been busts, or not lived up to expectations.
The fact of the matter is that nobody really knows how well people are going to be at the next level…that is why it is the NEXT Level. You have to test yourself and see how good you reall are. For Austin it is that time.
Markell, Austin, and other Cougar athletes, please don’t lump all of us fans in with the few idiots that come on here and spew forth nonsense (I’m talking to you Trianglechoke). Austin Collie is the man, and he made the right choice. If Kevin Walter can have 900 receiving yards and 8 TD’s last year, I think Austin will be fine.
Here’s to BYU recruiting the special type of athlete and having the kind of success that will allow more players to leave early and continue making a name for BYU in the pros.
Austin F.,
As I said in my original comment, that remains to be seen. However, whether he is successful or not in the NFL really has nothing to do with his choice now. Sure he could have another great season at BYU, but by leaving now he can secure a financial future that only some of us can wish for.
I would love it if he stayed. I, like you, was/am excited for next year in a way that I haven’t been in a while. With that being said, I root for BYU and any athlete that played for BYU in any sport.
Also, I must add that when calling out the trolls I was not meaning to include you. I think that obviously you are a fan and care about the team, we just disagree on Collie’s choice.
Lastly, I forgot to add my comment on the original poll that started this entry: I think that Pitta, based on his play and his relationship with Hall, will be the main “go to guy” this year. I hope that Jacobson and Chambers get significant touches as well.
After a day of reflection, I’m starting to feel somewhat happy for Collie…
And despite my grim outlook, I hope he excels at the next level.
I’m sort of indifferent to Collie leaving, but I’m a little shocked that someone (Trianglechoke) would actually hope for Collie’s failure in the NFL. That’s pretty low, dude. Must have some performance issues of your own.
Anyway, I’d have been happy to keep Collie so long as we could change our passing focus, and spread the ball around to more receivers (Reed was definitely underused). He’s a playmaker, to be sure, but in our last two losses, we’d have been better off with Collie out of the game if only to take that option away from Anae and force him to think in more than one dimension. Before you jump on me, that is NOT a comment about Collie, it’s about Anae and Hall relying too much on one player.
Right now may really be the best time for Collie to make his departure. He’s had a landmark year, and if he works hard, I think he’ll do OK in the NFL. You never know what will happen to guys at that next level, though (Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, etc.). It is a different game.
I’m optimistic about next season, and can’t wait to see my Sooners and Cougars collide to start it all off. Go Scoogners!
I just came across this blog. Great stuff. Thanks Quinn, Markell, et al. for putting it together. Guys: do me a favor and don’t bother trying to polish the spelling, grammar, or usage. Your issues along those lines (and there are many) are part of the charm!
It is always tough to see a great player move on early. But Austin Collie is a good guy, and I wish him the best. I am not really worried about skill players on offense next year. (Linebackers and defensive backs, well, that’s another story…) Anyway, Collie certainly has the tools to have a solid NFL career. In fact, I was thinking of him yesterday as I watched Kevin Curtis put in another reliable performance for the Eagles. He’s not the fastest receiver in the NFL, but he does just fine. And I would gladly trade paychecks with him …
No “Go-to-Guy” but a well distributed ball to all WR’s..
I think we need to get back to the distribution of the ball. We need a fast guy to break good ones. Those are always fun to see caught, but I seem to think distribution is the key to success…
@ Brock:
Interesting that you bring up the “key to success.” I have been to lots of games over the last several years. It was while reading the paper the morning after witnessing the Vegas Bowl loss to Cal (back in ‘05) that I realized something about BYU’s success. There has been success on the offense for a long time. The Crowton years were an anomaly. It is the defensive side of the ball where success has been inconsistent. Like the columnist said in that paper I read, BYU has solved the offensive scoring equation. 24 points ought to be enough to beat anyone. The offense shouldn’t have to put up 50 points to beat TCU or Utah or whoever.
So for what it’s worth, I think the offense will be successful next year. If we stick to the same philosophies, strategies, and plays that we have used since Bronco became head coach, the offense will be successful enough for the team to win games. Defense has long been the question.
Being defensive players yourselves, I would love for you to chime in on this one QG and MS.
Vase Says:
But I think turnovers have played a role in putting our defense in bad situations.
Turnovers can kill momentum and kill a defense if they just sat down and have to hurry back onto the field. That would frustrate me..
When Beck was QB, did he have a “Go-to-Guy”? I think he had players who he knew would make “Magic Happen” but I also think he distributed it more amoung his players. But I could be wrong.
I think the defense had its growing pains. And mistakes were made. I am not sure if it was the coverage or the personnel.
Sorry. That was meant as a response back to you…
Vase,
You are right about the Defense. In 2001 the Offense was unstoppable, but the D gave up a lot of points. However, there were some games where the D had to come up big and they did. It’s been like that a lot throughout BYUs history. I know nobody really liked the way the D played this year (myself included) but I think as a whole the BYU defense is becoming more reliable. Teams are getting better and better and in order to win week in and week out you really need both sides to be clicking.
2005: Lost to TCU because there was no D, Lost to SDSU because there was no O. Lost to ND because no D.
2006: Lost to AZ because lack of O and turnovers, lost to BC because no D.
2007: Lost to UCLA because no O, lost to Tulsa because no D.
When both sides play well (O score more than 24, D allow less than 24) we win games! But if one side doesn’t show up, we play teams that will beat you.
Astin F.
“YES”, I do understand what position Collie and Packman play. That said, do not try to divert the attention off yourself. “YOU” are a very disloyal BYU fan and you exhibited that on this BLOG.
I won’t comment on your Cowgirls jab, I strongley feel that 5 SuperBowl titles speak for themself. You are not ready for a NFL ageda until you can learn how to be a Loyal BYU fan.
Gunny
Ok here I go again. I’m sorry if I offended you with my opinion, be it wrong- ok. I started by saying that ” this might be in anger” at the end of my statement I said ” this might be vendictive, but I said it “now I can go on”. I have been a Cougar fan as long as I can remember. I was tired of the ” I hope Austin does well. I too hope he does well, I just wanted to vent, is that OK or are we supposed to all agree each other every time. I think that would make a very boring conversation, if we just all floated along with each other. To SoonerCougarJr, I don’t have performance issues, I have competed and succeeded at a sport other than Football. Deep down I hope Austin does well. Is it ok to wish he was gonna be here for Oklahoma & this season’s games. Search deep in your soul, I bet you wish he was still going to play this season. I just vented, if it was wrong- I’m sorry Austin.
Gunny,
Then why’d you mention them in the same breath?
Remember those ESPNews commercials where the guy would literally talk sports from his behind? Your comments remind me of those commercials.
Brock and MS:
It’s definitely true that turnovers hurt the D big time in the three losses this season. I’ve thought about it a lot and it seems to me that these turnovers are more a result of great defensive plays on the part of the opposing D, then careless play on the part of BYU’s O. Sure, Max struggled with fumbles or throwing into coverage or whatever, but I really believe it was the opponent’s D (their particular players, or schemes, or strategies, or whatever) that really shook up the game. Not just for Max but for everyone on offense. But I dunno. I’m just a fan and I don’t understand as much about football as I wish I did. It just seems like a trend you know? The best teams in the country this year were all the best because of their D. Utah’s offense? Not as good as BYU’s. Florida’s offense? Not as good as OU’s. TCU’s offense? Not as good (supposedly) as BSU’s, etc. Just I trend that has been really strong lately.
I see what you’re saying MS about needing both sides. It’s not like Florida or Utah had letdowns on either side of the ball in their big games.
I seriously think the offense will be as awesome next year as it has been these last three years, even if no one can “fill” Collie’s shoes. And maybe you’re right; maybe not having a go-to guy will work wonders for Max. And by the way, someone took a shot at Anae earlier for Max throwing into coverage and stuff. Is Anae really at fault here? I mean, wouldn’t it be more Max’s fault? Shouldn’t he have a prescribed list of things to check down to if the #1 option is gone? Somewhere on that list, “take a sack” has got to be above “throw a jump ball into triple coverage.” Don’t get me wrong, Max is my homeboy. I’m just curious and want to know more about what is really going on in a game.
P.S. I feel like I’m getting way off topic here, but I want to keep discussing. (Sorry everyone, I’m used to forums). Can we keep talking about this or is there a more appropriate place somewhere else on the blog?
Vase,
Great post, great insight. You brought up a great point about the opposing D’s making great plays. If there is anything that really changes a game it is defenses making big plays. In our losses our D didn’t make any. In our alpse games they didn’t make any either, except WA. As I’ve been watching the playoffs you really are how bad you need big D plays to win against evenly matched teams. Even the Florida game. The goal line stand! The blocked FG!
To win football games you need to score points on O and create turnovers on D.
On to throwing it away. I wish Phillip Rivers would learn that lesson too. Some QB’s just need to read through Bill Parcels’s QB commandments. I know throwing it away is up there. I always liked the quote “3 things can happen when you throw the ball and only 1 of them is good.”
I hit the decrepit age of 30 recently and my memory is short, but did Hall throw the ball away at all this year? Off of the top of my head, I can’t think of a single time that he ever did.
I love his brash style, but his competetive edge tries to force the impossible, almost as though he thinks he can ‘will’ the ball through triple coverage to Collie’s waiting hands every time he needs to. It’s a bit of a paradox, but IMHO his self-confidence is both his best attribute and his greatest weakness when he’s trying to make big plays.
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