To all Utes fans, welcome…and enjoy.
I have noticed some recent comments, specifically because of there colorful verbiage. So, hello Ute fans! I understand you didn’t like the picture, but you failed to notice that your running back is 5 yards into the endzone, so the play was long since over -the Utes seem to think BYU is the cheaper of the two team. I will say BYU has done their fair share of what might be construed as a cheap shot…but I haven’t seen it caught on film (like I posted earlier this week).
OK here’s the question of the day: In the history of BYU vs. Utah who can outline the worst cheap shots handed out by either team?
I’ll start it off with both Curtis Brown and Eric Weddle in the game every BYU fan loves to rub in a Utes face, and yes, he is still open.
Anyway, I think reading about others comments and insights is valuable and for that reason you are welcome.
But before you leave a comment please stop, think, and formulate an appropriate response. Go F&&& yourself doesn’t fly.
Thanks. #25
Excellent example Quinn, I also believe that this is the game that Mr. Brown thought it would be okay to grad certain Utah players in the groin area. Mr. Brown admitted to it after the game. I don’t care what you say but that is about as cheap as a person can get.
How about when you, Quinn went helmet to helmet at BC. That was a dirty hit. I noticed that you failed to post that link on the picture message.
The most outrageous moment from any Utah vs. Byu game happened in 1999 at Lavell Edwards stadium. No, it did not involve the players on the field. Instead the craziest,most distasteful, most bizzare and loathsome event I have ever witnessed as part of this rivalry was perpetrated by a byu fan.
I was at the game on that beautiful day in November. The MWC championship was on the line. Both Utah and byu had solid teams that year.
The exact time of the attack by the byu fan is not too clear to me anymore. It was sometime during the game after Utah had scored some points though. Utahs male cheerleaders were running with the Utah flag on the North end of the stadium to celebrate. I clearly remember seeing a byu running onto the field at that time.
The byu fan tried to tackle the Utah cheerleader. I kept thinking it was some kind of joke. Then I watched as the utah cheerleader threw the byu fan to the ground and proceeded to pummel him with his fists.
This was a very unfortunate incident but one that highlighted what I had been saying for years. You dont need to be drinking to act like a complete jerk. Sure there may be a few Utah fans who act like fools at games and are disrespectful. But I’ll bet there are just as many, if not more byu fans who act the same. Im quite sure the byu fan who attacked that day was sober.Pehaps he was drunk with righteous indignation ?
Fans of both teams tell stories of the other fans, calling them classless or poor losers, or whatever. But on that day in 1999 there were over 65,000 people who saw a fan lose his mind and totally disrepect the game and this rivalry.
Utah won the game by the way
If I recall the ball had just hit his hands, and it was done in the middle of the field with every official watching. Please don’t confuse cheap with physical. There is a difference, but to someone who hasn’t played football since the 8th grade I could image it would be hard to tell the difference.
Nice try, next.
Well played Ute Cheerleader…well played. Drunk with righteous indignation, know that’s funny.
Thanks, Quinn !
I listen to your round table discussions on the radio by the way. Good stuff.
Im really looking forward to the big game on the 28th. I havent missed the Utah vs. byu in person since 1993. Its always a great time.
Good luck to your guys and Go Utes !
Anyone that plays football knows that helmet to helmet is the absolute hardest thing to keep from happening as a defensive player. I definitely wouldn’t consider a helmet to helmet hit cheap …
I remember when a yewt O-lineman, may have been Kemoeatu layed on top of a BYU D-linman and just about ripped his head off. It was after the play had passed them by. Good stuff.
Fragrant late hit to the knees out of bounds on BYU QB Ryan Hancock. This late hit @ Utah effectively ended Ryan’s football career. Too bad. IMO Ryan was a productive and good QB.
It is amazing how quickly yewt fans post on here.
I guess when your job consists of having nothing to do but pump gas, you have a lot of time on your hands to wait for posts to come up on a BYU-centered blog…
I knew the Y fan that tackled and subsequently got pounced on by the cheerleader. While it is true he wasn’t drinking, he had an absolute lack of common sense and was doing stupid things WAY before he tackled a cheerleader.
Of course I would rather have Brandon be the worst example of a BYU fan than what you all have as the bottom feeders in your fan base.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvo0HOBTuk&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAIW_NUSaI
As for cheap shots, I am sure they go both ways.
What is the deal with the Ute claim of “grabbing our players in the groin?” They cried about that when they played Utah State in ‘96 (could of been ‘97) and now they are crying about Curtis Brown doing that. Which begs the question of, how could he being doing that while holding onto the ball? Hmm? I also remember how it seemed like nearly every utah defensive player was going after Brown in that game, not to mention when Weedle carried him out of bounds and then threw him to the ground. What was the deal with that anyway?
Honestly, maybe I see things a bit differently and obviously see it differently from you guys who are in the game and seeing what is going on as well as hearing what is going on, but it seems to me that there are not a lot of cheap shots by either team but some good physical play. Quinn dropping the hammer on the ute receiver (BC) is a great example, and quite frankly a type of play that BYU has missed. Other plays are when Michael Reed decked some ute lineman on a block at the start of the ‘06 game. Or, if you want to go back in history, what about Jonathan Pittman (could have been Ridell) taking out a ute DB in Lavell’s last game on a cutback block or Justin Ena killing the ute RB in the ‘02 game.
I know all the utes will cry foul and say, cheap, cheap, these are all cheap shots. Yeah, whatever, shut up and play the game.
Kyle,
I remember the play you are talking about, the Ute also grabbed the players junk. Kind of a weird thing actually, he grabbed the Y players arms and then sat there for second as if a light bulb went off in his head and then grabbed the Y guys junk. It was like some sort of strange sexual assault. I wish I could remember the names and year. This was all done well after the play had passed them by.
1992 ute hits Ryan Hancock out of bounds….in the knees….ends his career as a football player at BYU. Dirtiest play I have ever seen.
In response to Kyle and Drakos, the ute player was a Kaufusi and the BYU player was Ryan Denney. It was during the 2001 game. After seeing the replay, the analysts at ESPN talked about how dirty of a play it was and were calling for Kaufusi to be booted from the game.
Another great moment in Ute cheap-shot history occurred during the 1996 game when a Ute linebacker kicked a BYU player while the latter was on the ground. I remember that occasion because the referee who witnessed the event threw a flag for a personal foul and then pushed the Ute player.
I know it goes both ways. I just like the fact that Ute cheap shots seem to be caught by the TV dudes or photograph dudes more often.
I’ll weigh in here with something that wasn’t necessarily cheap but out of line and didn’t get called.
In 2004 when we were playing at Utah I got called for a 15 yd facemask on the RB on a play up the middle that gave Utah 1st and goal. I DIDN’T EVEN COME CLOSE to touching the face mask, nor did anyone else, as it was a solo tackle.
I believe the refs made up for that call when later in the game I tackled the slot receiver in the open field and as he went to get back up I threw him back down. The Ute fans went absolutely buzzerkers but the refs didn’t say a word, not even a warning.
I think it was due to my arguments about the face mask call, adn so he figured I already had done the time, might as well let me do the crime!
It isn’t football related, and it isn’t a cheap shot by those typically dirty Utes, but I will always love Nate Cooper for taking on Van Horn, in the Huntsman Center, as a freshman. That was one of many proud moments that I’ve had as a BYU fan and a Timpview alum.
As a Sandy resident who works in downtown SLC, I could really use a BYU win this year, as well as additional ammunition in the way of youtube videos and the like to pass along to my co-workers and neighbors. Someone should start putting together a list. I think it is time we get started on that.
When I was a student I got some bad seats to the BYU Utah game at Rice Eccles in 1994 (BTW, they are all bad seats if you are wearing blue). During one of the breaks, the Utah cheerleaders were using one of those big sling-shots to launch utah gear into the stands. They only sent one item up to our section, a foam mini football, and I caught it. I gloated for a second, then threw it back. I think that was a better pass than anything John Walsh threw that day…I pegged a cheerleader on the field from three rows from the top! I thought they were going to kill me. They were mad that I caught it, they were mad that I threw it back, and they freaked out when I hit the cheerleader. Looking back, it was a cheap shot by me, but it was awesome–nobody got hurt, and I got out in one piece.
Easy now Spencer, Why all the hate ?
I already said there were fans on both sides that could be jerks.
As far as those videos you posted go…the first guy just looks like a very patriotic fan who enjoys our national anthem
and the second video is of some cool cats hanging out at the tailgate lot. I cant see how either of them are negative really. I mean, they arent attacking anybody or anything like that.
The Ryan Hancock hit has got to be the worst. He was a couple of steps out of bounds, the game was over (if I remember correctly, BYU had a 11-12 point lead with less than two minutes to go), and the ute clearly had the time and space to avoid the hit.
Quinn, if so many comments were made by U fans regarding the “cheap shot” picture that you posted–how come none of them have been posted? My comment had no bad language at all and simply brought a different perspective than yours. Is it bad language that causes comments to not be posted or different view points that go against your comments/thoughts? If you really want to welcome Ute fans then you need to be open to differing opinions. I understand not posting comments with bad language and such but to censor comments simply because the are different than yours or even prove your point wrong, is not welcoming at all.
I’m am sure that many of the comments you received did not include bad language yet in your “welcoming” statement you imply that all the comments from U fans contained poor language and thus were not welcome. Please either truly welcome us or don’t but do not claim to want us around–just so long as our opinions are in line with your own and support your claims regardless of facts proving otherwise.
We all know that cheap shots happen all the time from all teams to claim otherwise is pure ignorance. I do not think the pic is enough evidence to call it a cheap shot, but to each his own.
I thought the cheapest shot was the Beck to Harline. That catch was so cheap it was almost free.
2006 when Mackay cought his first pass of the game and the Ute defender tried to roll up on his ankle and put him out of th egame (after the play was over of course) You could tell that old Virgil was pretty unhappy about that cheap play.
In reference to the Weddle-Brown takedown that Attu mentions: During the same game, Collie got shoved to the ground out-of-bounds (on a clean hit), but landed at the feet of the Utah cheerleaders and one of them threw her pom pom at him. It was a cheap shot, but I also thought it was funny because it indicated the frustration of the Ute cheerleader. And it was a lot better than the idiot BYU fan already mentioned who tried to tackle the male Utah cheerleader.
BTW, Steve Wilson, I can’t let your claim go without challenge: Curtis Brown never admitted any such thing. I do recall the Utah player making the claim, but that was it. Please post a reference to back up your claim.
The Utah OLineman was Kemoeatu and the BYU DLineman was Ryan Denney. Kemoeatu ripped Denney’s helmet off. No flag. Wasn’t the cheapest shot compared to the late hits mentioned but a big deal in that game.
The cheerleader incident was an interesting one. The ute cheerleader was running across the endzone in front of the students in an effort to incite anger and taunt the fans. Well, he successfully angered enough people and one fan got tired of it and grabbed his legs as he ran. The kid was a UVSC student, very sober, and a hero to all the other BYU fans tired of the taunting. Ever since that game, the ute flag waving has been confined to the Northwest corner only. The kids was arrested for jumping on the field. The ute cheerleader who violently punched the kid in the face eventually transferred to BYU in order to get an ROTC scholarship but never suffered any consequences for his punches.
Here is the Kemoeatu / Ryan Denney video (the resolution isn’t particularly great): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPsekTY4aR8
The story about the BYU fan / UVSC student who went onto the field and got hammered by that guy cheerleader is hilarious. I was at the game and justin’s outrage is ridiculous. The UVSC kid got what was coming to him, both from the cheerleader (try explaining that to your kids) and from the cops. What a clown. We all had a good laugh about that, especially BYU fans, who were overjoyed to learn, just days after the incident, that the guy cheerleader had already applied to transfer to BYU.
I was also there in 1993 when those idiot Utah fans (and Utah players) celebrated like it was the first time that they had won anything and tried to take down the goalposts. Are you kidding me? How can anybody be that stupid? The dude running around with the big “U” flag got worked after that game. I distinctly remember watching a guy run across the field (I may or may not have been on the field after lobbing drinks cups from the north endzone at imbecilic fans and players who thought it was okay to take the field, let alone take down the posts, at someone else’s stadium), and tackle the guy with the flag. Good form tackle. The flag dropped as quickly as the pansy cheerleader running around with it. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
And I can’t remember exactly how the story went, but if I remember correctly, after the Utes utterly failed to bring down the posts in Cougar Stadium, some enterprising individuals (with unknown loyalties) drove a truck into Rice Eccles (really Utah, you claim to be a big time athletic program yet people can just drive onto your field?) in the middle of the night and pulled down both goal posts, just to show the Utes how things are supposed to be done.
Now that’s the stuff that rivalries are made of.
Can’t wait for AFA
I sure hope they are not overlooked.
This one wasn’t widely talked about, but how about the Ute db trying to take out McKay Jacobson in 2006? After the tackle, well after the play, and while Jacobson was starting to stand up, the db made a completely transparent attempt to injure Jacobson by twisting his knee.
Late hits, physical play, that’s one thing, but deliberately trying to injure another player is so Elizabeth Lambert.
Trust me, Parrothead the Ute comments did contain colorful language…and it’s up to my discretion. I am the judge and the jury.
Thanks for your comments.
Hahahahaha… Utah fans are the best… Seriously… My apologies for missing parrothead’s (nice name btw) comments earlier. Thanks for redirecting my attention Quinn. So, for anyone else who may have missed the highly insightful comments:
“Please either truly welcome us or don’t but do not claim to want us around–just so long as our opinions are in line with your own and support your claims regardless of facts proving otherwise.
“We all know that cheap shots happen all the time from all teams to claim otherwise is pure ignorance. I do not think the pic is enough evidence to call it a cheap shot, but to each his own.”
To borrow a term from a Utahn of Survivor-fame, “what the heck?” You don’t think the pic is enough evidence to call it a cheap shot? Where’s the hang up? Is it the fact that he is 10 yards behind the play instead of 15 yards? Is it the fact that Shaky has only made it five yards into the endzone and has not progressed from the “#1″ sign to the full celebration dance? Maybe you’re right. I mean, TCU #3 is on bended knee, but who knows what might happen, at any point I’m sure one of those TCU players, all of whom are mere spectators in the picture, might somehow sprint forward 10 yards with such a flurry of speed that they rip the ball out of Shaky’s celebrating hands, back peddle out of the end zone, and create such utter confusion that neither the refs nor the replay cameras catch the fact that a touchdown was actually scored. Nice block man; could have been a game saver.
Sigh. Quinn, is this what we have to look forward to for the coming weeks? I guess we’ll endure it if we must. And I shouldn’t complain, the entertainment value isn’t half bad.
Quinn, I left comments yesterday with no bad language and you didn’t publish them, so are you just a liar or too much of a wimp to post what I said because it proved how stupid you statement was about the purported cheap shot, or a little of both?
You are right, this is your blog so you are the judge and the jury, so do what you want, but don’t perpetuate a lie that all I, or even all Ute fans use bad language. Or is lying not part of the honor code of your beloved alma mater?
You and I know the truth and it just further proves that your world is no wider than your hat size.
Brian, I had a some funny stuff put up, but my wife….who is great, talked me out of leaving them up. I’m sorry your comment didn’t get posted. I’m sure it was very insightful. If you submit the comment again I’ll see if we can’t rectify the injustice. By the way if any Cougar fans comments were deleted along with Brian comments -because after I read the first few F bombs, I just hit delete all, I apologize. Hopefully my censorship is more appreciated by those trying to live up to the standards of the Honor Code.
Brian, your funny…lighten up bud.
Does any one have the U fan thread. I would love to see the other side of the banter.
Quinn, good work on taking the high road. Brian your trolling for reactions isn’t appreciated nor is it effective. Everybody knows that not all Utah fans use bad language. My wife, for example, who went to Utah for undergrad and BYU for grad school still cheers for Utah in the BYU/Utah game. I’ve never heard her swear and, if she does, I’m sure it is about me and not about BYU.
No one is trying to perpetrate the purported lie that you are a liar. I mean, how are we to know whether you are a liar? We can’t right? All we know is that you are calling Quinn a wimp because he allegedly refused to post “what [you] said because it proved how stupid [Quinn's] statement was about the purported cheap shot…” (if you need an explanation about the use of the brackets, just let me know). Based on that statement, we certainly can’t tell that you are a liar. What we can tell, however, is that you are an idiot, at least when it comes to football. Now, just because you don’t know what you are talking about doesn’t mean that you are lying, it just means that you are ignorant.
As I’ve stated above, there is simply no way that the “picture” can be justified as anything less than a cheap shot. Give it up already. You and your vastly superior Utah football program shouldn’t be so sensitive to critique, especially when the critique is dead-on, 100% accurate.
Here’s an example for you Brian, I’ll help you out. Now, I’m a BYU fan, so your reply to this post should be: “Yeah, what the ‘block’ by Chambers as George crossed the goal-line? What do you have to say about that, BYU fan?” Then, being a rational, logical person, rather than start accusing you of being a liar, a traitor, a communist, etc. (which accusation wouldn’t be entirely unwarranted since you are a Utah fan), I say, “Yeah, I love Chambers, that guy never lets up; he got flagged for it later in the day but at least he isn’t as dumb as those Utah lineman who make it so obvious that they end up being featured on espn.com.”
Unlike Quinn, I have no egos to protect. I live with, live by, work with, work by, attend church with, and attend church by all sorts of Utah fans. They give me crap; I give them crap. We get along brilliantly. Everyone realizes that, when we’re talking football (and basketball), all the talk is part of the rivalry, and it starts and stops there. In that vein Brian, unlike Quinn, I’m glad your comment didn’t get posted. Likewise, again unlike Quinn, I’m positive that it was entirely uninsightful (no, it’s not a word, but I figured you probably wouldn’t catch that); I’ve read your other posts and I’m sure the post you allege was censored wasn’t any better than any of your other ramblings.
I’ll close with a quote that I expect I will be using a lot over the next week and a half: “At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I can’t wait for Rivalry Week. You may need to invest in some software that automatically deletes f bombs and replaces them with more appropriate words from people with larger vocabularies. lol
Thanx for keeping the site clean:
After all, if we wanted to read and hear the “censored” and “bleeps” we would go to “Chicken Hawk” games and read the “Chicken Hawk” sites..
For a weekly dose of booze, we would go to “Chicken Hawk” tailgate parties to get our weekly dose of “Chicken Hawk” courage to perform “Chicken Hawk” acts at the “Chicken Hawk” games.
Of course, you know what cougars eat… why “Chicken Hawk”s of course. Actually, there was more nobility when the “Chicken Hawk”s were the Utes.
Disclaimer: No animals were harmed in this reponse. The only real damage was the “utes” were exposed to really being who they really are (by their own mascot change); “Chicken Hawk”s.
Quinn,
I appreciate the site. When Judd pointed me here last year, I was excited to find a place to read about BYU sports, and read comments from BYU fans. I especially thought it was great that we could ask guys who had actually played the game questions, and usually get an answer.
To understand the reason I was so happy about all this, one need only look at the Utah newspapers online and read the comments following every article about BYU. Constant inane ramblings from the same 15 Ute fans (using the term “fans” loosely here) clogging up the boards and diverting any attempt at rational conversation about the article.
(I have a suspicion that Brian is actually WeeWilly)
If you want to welcome Utes to the board, great, it’s your place. But if I can make one request, it would be please don’t let it become another DesNews or SLTrib. That would be a shame.
Now, dirty plays.
This one’s not Utah, but Utah State. I was at the game in BYU’s stadium in 1984. After sacking Robbie Bosco near the north end zone, several USU players stood over him and spit on him.
I never have, and never will again, ever pull for USU in any game.
This comment page is full of nothing more (or short of) hate, man-love, and self-righteousness. Get over it people. Take the emotion out of things and look at them objectively. Ute fans, keep the F-bombs to yourselves, and Y fans, keep your self-righteous thoughts to yourselves.
To refer to a few: The cheerleader wasn’t taunting anything. The reality is, if you don’t want someone running their flag, keep them out of the endzone. And yes, the shot on Denny was dirty. Period. But that doesn’t make the whole team or program dirty. Same goes for Brown’s groin-gate II and Weddle’s tackle out of bounds. Stupid behavior by otherwise nice guys.
I second the motion to keep this site free of the “banter” — as if, of the Utah fans, etc.. It was such a relief to have it be by BYU fans for BYU fans. Is there a law against that? Federal, state, NCAA?
Brilliant post Tyson.
I for one don’t share any enthusiasm for having Ute fans on this board. I don’t read comments in the newspapers and I do not care to read comments from Ute fans here. In fact, I find it the most utterly shocking thing to find a Ute fan on this blog. Who knows, maybe Y fans go to Ute sites, I wouldn’t know. I watch two Utah games a year, when they play the Aggies (go Aggies) and when they play the Y. I don’t read their stories in the paper. I don’t even care to know what they are doing. Any information related to their program, outside the final score at the end of the last game of the season, I couldn’t possibly care less about. They are irrelevant and useful only to the extent they help advance the Cougs cause. I just can’t fathom a Ute fan caring so much about antagonizing the Cougs that they would come to this blog rather then read about their own team.
Ute fans should be censored, just for the fact that they try to post here, at least in my opinion!
I was at the game with the cheerleader incident and was sitting in the NW endzone (oh the memories …) and found it infuriating to see the cretin flailing away at the goalpoast after the game. Kind of like a June bug repeatedly ramming itself into a window at night. It was great seeing the Cougs charging back out of the tunnel and rushing back to defend the turf.
You can talk records and you can talk BCS this or maybe even #1 draft pick with Alex Whiff or whatever his name was, but the fact is … you are still here reading OUR blog about OUR team. Suckers. And further, you won’t find me any where near a Ute blog. Maybe thats the problem, maybe there aren’t any … it would require someone capable of giving insight. [Cheap shot]
Thanks a million Quinn, Markell and Ben. Love the blog, but we really need less U and more you.
“You can talk records and you can talk BCS this or maybe even #1 draft pick with Alex Whiff or whatever his name was, but the fact is … you are still here reading OUR blog about OUR team. Suckers.”
Nate,
That’s a great comment.
I vote to keep the Yewt’s out. I really can not see how their banter can add value to this great blog. If anything it cheapens it. Besides, this banter from the Yewt fans makes it seem to me that the bored of their team and have to go looking to cause trouble. Please keep the integrity of the blog.
I was at the game with the cheerleader incident also, and I was surrounded by a bunch of drunk, crud, and angry yewt fans (why the anger? I don’t know they won the game). By the way, why is it that the yewt fans behave so badly at LES? Do they want to get thrown out of the game? Since then I can not stand yewt fans.
Last thought, the game is played on the field not in the stands. So please be respectful at the game. That goes for the Yewts and the Y fans.
Lest I be misunderstood…
I’m not in favor of banning Ute fans from Deep Shades of Blue.
But, I am in favor of unapologetically and heavily censoring the ones who can’t seem to find it within themselves to behave properly as a visitor to someone else’s board.
After all, there might be a Ute out there who has something positive to contribute. Just because I’ve never seen one doesn’t mean he/she doesn’t exist. (for further info on this concept, google Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy).
Tekape
I totally agree with allowing differing points of View. Just ask Drakos.
I know I will get blasted…. But I have a confession….
I would rather see Utah win than Oregon, and any MVC team win rather than an out of conference team win.
it makes the MVC have more pull and a stronger conference. So yes unless playing the Y, I cheer for Utah. I watch as many games as I can.
If the Y is ever going to have a shot at a NC then the strength of the conference is vital.
From reading a lot of recent posts the Y fans (here) can be as disrespectful, rude and ignorant as any Utah fan, so yes we climbed down to thal level.
I do love the Rilvery, and deep felt emotional discussion, but slamming one program to make another look better doesent help either. Also, the best game of the year is the last one. If both teams have no losses what a battle it is. It’s been some of the hardest played FB in the nation.
Ya. Fans, players and coaches sometimes get out of control. It then brings disrespect to whomever, and then it comes back to the Conference….
Ok,,, begin the backlash,
I forgot to say I love the site, thanks to the Moderators an I appreciate the inside the team insights.
So thanks
eat Pizza.
I welcome Ute fans and all fans for that matter as long as the posts are pertinent and in appropriate taste (think Star Wars series). I also root for the Utes when they aren’t playing BYU and really all conference teams. I was pretty stoked last year when Wyoming and UNLV had some good wins, as well as the obvious bowl victories with Utah and TCU.
I agree that BYU is better if TCU and Utah are better. I still think we are able to be an AQ conference in 2012 and this being an “off” year we are still doing pretty well out of conference, definitely in the top 6 conferences when you look at records against out of conference BCS schools.
My vote is with tekape. I’m ok with the participation of non-jerk, respectful Utah fans.
I suppose it could be interpretated that I was interested in banning Ute fan participation. I was a little riled when I posted last night. I don’t care if Ute fans “participate” either, but I am not interested in having yet another forum turned into the D-News comment section. I like the insider perspective from this board. I like that it isn’t a forum driven from a “journalistic” 3rd party view. I am looking for interesting dialogue from a strong BYU slant, from the deepest shade of blue. I truly don’t care to discuss or pay particular attention to the U outside of how it impacts BYU. And to that point, as much as I want a strong conference, and yes I want the conference to win outside of conference, I would be just as happy if not happier to have a perrenial strong SDSU versus a Utah. Can’t give them too much love …
I do know some Ute fans…they would be okay, but please keep all Yewt fans out. I think we all know the difference between the two.
Alot of cheap shots happen on the field, its an emotional game, especially a rivalry game. The biggest differance is in the stands, sure BYU gets accused of being holyer than thou, but what about the rude drunken yewt fans that can only put together four letter word sentences, throw stuff, and try to fight anyone who cheers for the other teams. I’ even seen guys pick fights with women. There s alot of drunken sick pigs in the stands. There are a handful of classy fans too.
excuse my grammer, I attended the U.
Go COUGS
Quinn,
While I am a die hard fan of BYU. I looked at the picture you posted as a “Cheap Shot” of the O-lineman from Utah.
As a local football official for the past 20 years, I have seen this happen way to often.
Is it Cheap? Not in my opinion.
Was it neccesary? No…. but then most college kids don’t think before they act either (At least on the field, or why do we have so many personal fouls?)
In fact go back over the games BYU has played and I bet you will find the same thing happening by BYU players.
Now Some Utah players are dirty, some have been mentioned, but please stop the non sense about a playuing doing a “cheap shot” when it really wasn’t.
I think this “Holy War” has gotton out of hands on both side of the isle. the constant posturing and disrespectful behavior I have seen at BOTH PLACES AND BY BOTH FANS is stupid and should be beneath our fans.
Let’s bring some civility back to the rivalry.
Now I will get off the soap box… thanks for letting me vent…
By the way, Mark, Ben and you do a great job of insight into what is happening on the field.
I disagree with comments about cheering for Utah except against BYU. That type of mentality makes a rivalry dull. It’s fine to give credit where credit is due and it is VERY important to be civil and respectful. However, I just can’t help but get great joy out of every Ute loss. And any time anything in college football happens to make the Utes look worse I seek after these things. For example, I want Oregon to lose every game they play just so it makes that Ute loss to them look that much worse.
This should be a REAL rivalry. Not just a game between in-state foes, not just a game with conference implications, but a knock-down drag-out no holds barred rivalry full of intense passion where the fans of each team live or die by the outcome of the game. I love a good rivalry. If I were to cheer for the Utes all year then turn it off for one game it just wouldn’t hold the appeal.
Derek,
Dude you were born too late. The Dark ages are over.
Go see sone one about the hate. It’s a game.
Coach Widdingham was a Cougar( in a past life I admit) , when do you draw your magic line of hate.
Do you think the owners of the team have your hate an discontent.
You just gotta let it go…..
Besides Ute fans eat more pizza. And they TIP a lot better. Let’s go there ?
Derek,
Dude you were born too late. The Dark ages are over.
Go see sone one about the hate. It’s a game.
Coach Widdingham was a Cougar( in a past life I admit) , when do you draw your magic line of hate.
Do you think the owners of the team have your hate an discontent.
You just gotta let it go…..
Besides Ute fans eat more pizza. And they TIP a lot better. Let’s go there ? That would be like banning a UTE fan from my business.
Pizzaman, despite your incoherency, I understand what your trying to say. I don’t, however, entirely agree. I don’t see anything wrong with Derek’s thoughts and feelings. So long as he is civil and respectful, which he says he is, what is wrong with being passionate and emotional?
For example, I hate the Lakers. I have everything about the Lakers. I always have and I always will. My hate knows no bounds. I don’t want to harm and hurt anyone; I don’t wish harm or ill on the Lakers or their fans. I just want them to lose. There isn’t anything wrong with that. At least in my mind.
I was at the BYU / Alabama game in Alabama. I remember walking to the stadium in the midst of Alabama fans. They weren’t talking about BYU. They could have cared less about BYU. It was the first game of the year and the only thing that was on their mind was how bad their beat down of Auburn would be. Now that is a rivalry. I think the BYU / Utah rivalry is right there too. Some people take it too far. But as long as everyone remembers that it is just a game, then let them be as passionate as they want.
Pizzaman-
Hey, I never said anything about hate! I said passion. And I am talking about football, a game. Something that is used for diversion.
I think Pizzaman you must have read someone else’s comments and then attributed them to me cause I don’t see in any of my comment how you could come up with the response you did.
I have a few good friends who are Utes. A lot of my family went to the U. My absolute best mission companion and a person who I respect as much as anyone I know is a HUGE Ute fan. (Which goes to show everyone has their flaws)
I don’t extend my passion for the rivalry beyond the bounds of football to include Ute players, coaches, or fans as individuals. I simply take the football game and all that goes with it as something serious. Why? Because it makes it more fun that way.
Colin Cowherd has talked a lot recently about how nobody should have a team that you live and die with because it’s more fun to just always root for the winners. I couldn’t disagree more. Going through the lows makes the highs so much better. Losing to Utah makes the wins that much more sweet. Living through the Crowton years makes Bronco that much more sweet.
I understand being a casual fan. I am a casual NFL fan, a casual baseball fan. But when it comes to college football and especially BYU I get passionate and that is exactly what makes it so fun.
Let me clarify: I root for the Utes when they play non-MWC teams. Against MWC teams, it doesn’t matter to me too much. Some years I hope that they get whooped on (like this year against TCU). Some years, I hope they win all their games so that we can both be undefeated and that makes our win that much sweeter (and the Ute fan disappointment that much greater).
I know an Alabama fan or two and there are times when they will root for Auburn. And there are times a Texas fan will root for Oklahoma.
And I don’t think this lessens the rivalry or makes it dull. I think the BYU-Utah rivalry is bigger than any one individual or even group of fans. It is based on institution, family, religion, athletics, scholarship, education, color, race, ethnicity, sex, morality, prohibition, gender and has so many facets it is the best rivalry in the world.
The key point in what you said is “there are times” when a true fan of a rivalry will root for the other team. But those times are very select. It shouldn’t be all the time except when playing my team. In my opinion that does lessen the rivalry.
Yeah I was at the game where the Utes after winning for the 1st time in Provo after umpteen years tried to take down the goal post. I was in the south end zone and it was the north one that they tried to take down. My brother and I were standing there after the loss in amazement as the Ute fans started piling over the side of the railing past the pathetic event staff in there orange jackets. They started going after the goal post and we and everyone else were stunned and amazed at the how belligerent and tasteless there actions were. It is stupid to do it in your own stadium, but to do it in another team’s stadium is beyond moronic!!! The BYU team also stood by and watched for just a second. Then, I still remember, Chad Lewis charging into the crowd taking a whole bunch of surprised fans out of commission. He went through them like a Mac truck going through a feather factory! At this point the rest of the team followed suit and kept the utes from taking the now crooked goal post down. Eventually the crowd dispersed and it was over. The funny thing was, as it was alluded to above was how the ute goal posts were mysteriously bent over in the night in the next few days.
Good times!
Nice MarkA. I’m glad I’m not the only one that remembers it. The pulling down of the posts in Rice-Eccles in retaliation for the stupid antics of the Utah fans following that first win in Provo has got to be one of the best rivalry stories. It is right up there with the painting the Y red and painting the U blue. Of course, there is always the even-better story of the subsequent attempt to paint the Y red when, unbeknownst to the Utah fans, the BYU ROTC was guarding the Y. I never heard a clear explanation of what actually happened. All I know is that everyone knows that the ROTC is up there now and no one has tried to paint the Y since then lol.
So, are there any fresh jokes around this year? I’m tired of the same old lines year after year (except for the three wise men and a virgin joke, that one never gets old).
I want to cast my vote as well for: “Please do not allow this site to become the comments section in the Des News”.
I have zero problem whatsoever with Ute fans on this board, if they keep it civil, on point, and accurate.
A bunch of trash talking garbage from Ute fans I hope never makes it on this site.
This is “Deep Shades of Blue.” It is a BYU fan website. It should be all BYU all the time. Ute fans are welcome to have an opinion, but just know this is a place for BYU fans to talk BYU all the time. University of Utah football isn’t worth mentioning in my opinion, unless they play BYU that week, in which case, I want to talk with my fellow BYU fans about beating the snot out of the Utes. Ute fans don’t like it? Go to your own site. If you can handle it and have an interesting on point comment, welcome and let’s talk.
Thanks, off my soap box now.
Those silly Ute fans…
http://www.blocku.com/2009/11/22/1169762/i-really-hate-byu
Folks, I’ve seen a bunch of this attitude from the Utes, and I’ve looked far and wide, and just can’t seem to find this kind of vitriol for the Utes from the BYU side of things. If someone knows differently, please point it out.
But from my perspective, this is the kind of blog post that really makes me think someone has serious issues in his life that have nothing to do with football.
It’s kind of sad, really.
I’d be curious, if Quinn is willing to tell, how many (if any) Ute submissions to this thread he’s rejected for being too Ute-y.
It is really hard to figure out where the “line” is but it sure is easy to tell when the “line” has been crossed. I find it ironic that 50% of Utah fans criticize BYU and BYU fans for claiming the moral high ground and the other 50% of Utah fans criticize BYU and BYU fans by pointing out that Brigham Young founded the University of Utah and that more LDS General Authorities went to the U.
As always, I love the “myopic BYU fan” smack talk. There is nothing more funny than hearing Utah fans make the argument that, when it comes to evaluating football success, you should only be allowed to look at the last five years. That’s good for Utah fans since 75% of them have only been fans for the last five years. And as soon as you start going book more than five years, BYU starts looking better and better. Let alone the fact that BYU won as many conference championships as Utah over the last five years (2) and BYU has a better conference record and a better overall record than Utah over the last five years.
I know, I know. Utah has two BCS wins and, yes, of course BYU would take Utah’s last five years rather than its own last five years in a heartbeat. But it is funny to hear a team that has finished third, third, and fourth in the MWC brag about how they have completely dominated everybody and everything over the last five years.
http://www.blocku.com/2009/11/22/1169762/i-really-hate-byu
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